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Kimberly Toco | Turning Pain into Purpose

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Picture the most heartbreaking moment of your life - then imagine turning that pain into a purposeful mission. This episode features the remarkable Kimberly Toco, a personal coach, mother of four, and a woman of impenetrable strength. After experiencing the devastating loss of her son, Jason, to suicide, Kimberly shares her journey of resilience, navigating through the stigma of suicide and the loss of community support. She powerfully asserts the motto, ‘you can only be a victim once, and after that, you are a volunteer’, a beacon of strength guiding her path through the darkest days.

Kimberly’s story embodies a testament to human resilience and determination. Out of grief, she creates a purpose, founding a charity in honor of Jason to let inner-city kids play baseball, and ventures into real estate, transforming it into a platform of service for others. She speaks about the driving force that kept her going each day, conveying the message that adversity does not define your life; rather, it is the courage and resolve to rise above it that truly matters. 

Kimberly takes us on a journey from adversity to achievement, sharing her pride when her story becomes a lifeline for others. She discusses her current achievements, including becoming a successful public speaker and author, emphasizing the importance of remaining authentic. She highlights the necessity of self-care, reminding listeners that to serve others, we must first nourish ourselves. She extends an invitation to connect with her at KimT360.com, a testament to her commitment to fostering connections and offering hope. This episode is a reminder that even in the face of life’s most challenging circumstances, hope and purpose can prevail.

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Speaker 1:

Hey guys, welcome to another episode of as the leader grows. I have got a phenomenal guest for you guys today that I am ridiculously excited about. We've been trying to schedule this thing for about 38 years. Every time we get ready to do something happens that we don't get to have them on. But I've got Kimberly Taco. She is that. Pronounce that right.

Speaker 2:

It's Taco, whatever Like tacos.

Speaker 1:

Is it today? Is it Taco Tuesday?

Speaker 2:

It was, it was Yesterday was Taco Tuesday.

Speaker 1:

Everybody, everybody hands on me because if I go eat, I'm going to the. There's a taco truck right here in Birmingham. It's the best tacos ever. When you pull up, it's all the Hispanic guys that are drywall, they're carpet guys, they're get, and it is the bet You're telling me there's a better taco place.

Speaker 2:

Arizona Yeah, i get it The border.

Speaker 1:

You would not think Birmingham, but I'm telling you, i've been. I've been in LA and San Diego. These tacos are like rival. But anyway, kimberly Toco, she's a personal coach. She's got an unbelievable story that I can't wait to unpack with you guys and literally just her story of, of overcoming, and as a mom she's going to show a little bit of that story and just really from just extreme tragedy being able to overcome into just a really, really sweet spot. We were talking about the joy and just really what life is doing right now and how amazing it is. But anyway, kimberly, welcome to. As a leader grows. Take a couple of seconds and intro yourself to our audience.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, and yes, kimberly Toco, my nickname is Tenacious Tea, and you're about to find out why.

Speaker 1:

Come on girl.

Speaker 2:

I have a saying that I love. It came from the Naomi Judd You can only be a victim once, and after that you are a volunteer. 12 years ago, as a stay at home mom with four sons getting them ready for breakfast 14 year old, 13 year old and three year old twins. My second born, 13 year old Jason, six foot one could pitch at 80 miles an hour straight a student, most popular kid in school. But that morning he came downstairs and got into an argument over breakfast. Something really simple like oh, there's starving kids in the world, you eat your breakfast. And long story short about the argument over breakfast, his last words to us as he walked upstairs was I hate you. And a few minutes later we heard a noise and I went upstairs and I found my son had shot himself intentionally right in the middle of his forehead and he died as I was working on him, before the ambulance could arrive.

Speaker 2:

In those moments, in those moments which you don't realize at the time, you also die in those moments. And it's a club no parent should have to join. And how do you get through that? How do you get over that? And on top of that, suicide, what happened? There was no signs and the stigma of suicide that occurs afterward. You know a lot of people would think that they would rally around us as a family. You know my husband at the time being a firefighter. And many people did, but the majority, they no longer came over what really happened in that house. Where you would expect your community to come forward, they suddenly back off. So not only did I lose my child in a horrific way, but then there was the stigma, there was the pointing at fingers. I hoped he embraced Jesus. You know there's that path that I went down. That was a very, very dark path and I needed to speak about it. I needed to say wait a minute, look, there was no signs. I don't know why he didn't go to his coach and say something.

Speaker 1:

I don't know why he didn't go to his teachers.

Speaker 2:

I don't know why he didn't come to us and be like Hey, i'm struggling. at the time I didn't know why, but I was determined to find out why And I also figured out I needed to change the trajectory of my life in order to get someone to pay attention to your story. You have to prove that you can overcome it. I was just the sad, broken mother in the corner asking people to listen to me And of course, they would listen to the story, but I had to prove that you could overcome in order to share with the world the possibilities of hope, the possibilities of looking at suicide a little differently.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, walk me through, Let me, let me, let me, let me pause you real quick. Walk me through, like and I know we're talking it is a story of you overcoming.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

But how long did it take you before you were like there's got to be something positive that comes out of this Right In order for it to be positive? I love what you said, that Naomi judged Like you choose. You choose your victim once. After that, you make the decision. At what point, kimberly, was it after your son's death, where you were like I gotta push through this. I can't continue to be like this.

Speaker 2:

It's interesting because even leaving the hospital that day, i got the phone call about organ donation And that began a trigger. You don't want people to forget your child, and in what way can you memorialize and make a legacy for your child who's no longer here to do it for himself? And that was like the first trigger, right? And then his birthday following his death was on a Mother's Day.

Speaker 2:

And I decided that I was going to form a charity called Jason's Propulsion League to help inner city kids be able to play baseball. There's a natural instinct that occurs that you want to inject, yes, positivity in that horrible tragedy, because how do you transmute pain? You put purpose in it. Grief is just love with no place to go. You have to put it somewhere where it continues to fester In honesty. It took two years. I was drinking, i was miserable And I lifted my head up. Two years. I will remember this to the day, january 2013. I looked up from my glass of wine and my couch and watching TV And I noticed my twins, now five, playing and happy, his older brother just a year older, doing better than me, still struggling, but doing better than me.

Speaker 2:

But it was when I looked at my husband, who was gray, who was pale, who was trying to cover this entire family and pay all the bills. It was when I looked at him and he was looking at me Like I was going to break, and I heard this voice and said what are you doing? Get up. Get up and do something. You are still alive. What are you doing? But what could I do? I have kids at home. I'm not functioning. I can't get my head to sit on straight for eight hours at a time.

Speaker 2:

So the only thing I could do was look into getting an extenuating circumstance loan. This is how I got pushed into real estate. We had a short sale. I had to have a bankruptcy after we lost our son. How are we going to get alone to get out of this shitty rental that we were in? right, and I was able to find a lender after two months who said okay, you've been able to prove this. A thousand emails, you've been able to prove it. You're through the underwriting. You have an extenuating circumstance loan. But I couldn't find an agent to help us. They wouldn't help us because they didn't want to get our hopes up because they'd never seen an extenuating circumstance loan close. So I scraped together the last of our tax return money, a change jar and March of 2013,. I got through real estate school in 18 days and passed the test, and the first time in a month.

Speaker 1:

That means you're pretty smart, because I did not do it in 18 days not even close.

Speaker 2:

It's not that I was determined I needed to change my family's life. I needed to change the trajectory in which we were going.

Speaker 1:

And Hey, talk to me real quick, kimberly. So let me slow you down just a little bit. Yeah, like through this process, because so you look down at your bottle of wine, you see your husband, both of you guys are looking at each other like man. We're struggling. Yeah, we're going to do this extenuating circumstances We're going to. I'm going to get my real estate license. Like every single day, when you got up, what was the driving factor in you that kept you going every single day through the pain and the memory, and I can't even. I mean I've got four daughters I couldn't even imagine. And I've been in some very, very I told you off air pasturing in church. I've done funerals from kids in my ministry and had to go tell the parents that they lost their kids. I've seen them holding your own child. Like where did that strength come from for you to be able to? I've got to push through.

Speaker 2:

It's a good question, because I was angry at God. I was angry at God. What's the one thing you asked for? Protect my children, keep them safe. But in honestly, i failed. I had an extreme amount of guilt too. So what was the one thing that kept me going? I still had other children And I had my son's voice in my head that said mom, enough with the pity party Again, i'm not here to show the world what I was supposed to be. I am not here to be the rock star I was meant to be. You have to do it for me. Who else is going to carry on that legacy? But the mother, the father? right, there are tons of point when you say what's more important? Choosing to check out on life, cause I thought of that too.

Speaker 2:

I definitely wanted to take my life many many times Waking up with that kind of pain on your chest, closing your eyes and seeing the image of my son dying in my arms, with nothing I could do. What pushes you through? The determination to break the cycle, the determination to blaze a trail for him.

Speaker 1:

So you're too, yeah, you're two years into the process when you said, hey, i can't do this anymore. Yeah, i can't even imagine the pain and the heartache and the the conversations between you and your kids and Between you and your husband and as a father. Where did I go wrong? What did I fail? What could I have done better? all of the what ifs, yes, and you made this decision to go. Hey, i've got it. I've got to turn this pain into purpose. Yes, for my son and for my other children that I have. Yes, so you, you get this loan, you get your real estate license.

Speaker 2:

I Convince a seller to take a chance on us because, again, extenuating circumstance, long and and you know the house needed a lot of work But it was. It was our house and there was a pivotal moment with that, watching the twins run around in the sunshine that was coming in to the bay windows, my older boy picking out a room. But it was when I gave those keys to my husband And I felt joy again.

Speaker 2:

That was the first time I felt the bubble of joy and gave him his feet again and I realized This real estate world needs me. I Have the ability to help families who have been through hardships start a new chapter and I began Giving part of my commission back right from the beginning 25% of my commission back towards the closing cost for first responders For special needs family pro bono sometimes and I was.

Speaker 1:

I was borrowing clothes at that time.

Speaker 2:

I didn't even have business clothes to wear and I just was determined. I was good at that and I liked the addiction of joy, that giving to someone else, the joy of giving, and I kept going, rookie of the year, doubling my income. I began to see that if I really wanted to share my story, that That God had given me a venue to achieve, to gain a presence, and That's what I did. I started getting a team and getting on HGTV and starting my own podcast, getting ready to launch my book.

Speaker 1:

So talk to me about like the moment in the whole real estate thing. And you said, when you handed your husband the keys was that the moment you realized we were out of the hole, we've turned the corner.

Speaker 2:

No, it wasn't that we were out of the hole and turn the corner. What it was was again giving his feet back to him, something that couldn't be taken away, because, again, the provider, the protector. He couldn't provide and protect his, his son, his wife, his family. And you know We're bouncing in these because back then you know you'd get in a rental and it foreclose on or they want to sell it because the market was turning around and he was tired of not having control of something and That foundation giving his feet again.

Speaker 2:

It just gave us a foundation, but there was still so much to build right and Sometimes I would start building and I'd make the wrong choice and the whole walls would come back down. That's something you have to remember. As an entrepreneur, that's something you have to remember as you're in real estate or really trying to drive your own business.

Speaker 1:

Is that you're gonna build it up?

Speaker 2:

It's gonna come down. You're gonna build it up. It's gonna come down. You've got to figure out what works. It wasn't until I really started clearing like 10 million a year in sales that I felt like, wow, you know, we're going on vacations again.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

The sorrow doesn't go You. You have to find more to to transmit the sorrow, but you're beginning to fill your life with joy instead of pain. And My book is what drove me, because I had a vision. I had a vision of not only sharing my book, but stories of overcoming. What is the? what is the oldest way in the history of humankind that we uplift each other? It's through stories, right, our stories define us. Some of humanity's humanity's greatest philanthropic movements have been born from its deepest sorrows. So I knew if I could get to a place where I could launch my book and have a stage performance of stories of overcoming, that I could begin to make a difference and On my birthday, march 11th of 2020. I did. I launched my book and it held number one. Here it is Two weeks, but COVID hit, covid hit whole thing can crush it down boom bang.

Speaker 1:

You said. You said that happens from time to time, right. Yeah, build it up and boom, here it comes. That's awesome I.

Speaker 2:

Called those the sledgehammers of life. You know, we think we're cruising along, we're doing good, and then a sledgehammer hits. Why does the sledgehammer hit? because we have to dive deeper into our purpose To bring out the joy, and if we're not on the right path, we're gonna get hit back onto the right path. You know this as a pastor, and so Even then I was knocked back.

Speaker 2:

I had to, you know, re figure out my brokerage. We figure out my business, and I dove into Delphi Metaphysical University. I really needed more answers. I wanted to understand the soul. I wanted to understand why does someone choose to lead this world? Why do they choose to take their life? How can I help someone who's in that moment Change their mind? and that was my focus for the last couple of years and since then have developed what I call the Metaphysical real estate agent. I work specifically with energies. My goal is to match the house energy with the family. Energy because, again, foundation and, yes, i've moved into the public speaking the healing modalities, the coaching, because that's what's important. Suicide is free will staring back at you and asking you to choose. And if, in that moment, you are in your darkest hour, you will have a choice to make, but it has a ripple effect, if I can get someone to remember that for five seconds, one minute, five minutes, it's the pause. It's the pause that helps them choose life instead of leaving.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, And that's the question that I'm going to ask you.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to ask you that What do you? what do you think your son would say right now, with where you? That's a good question. He's proud of me. No doubt he's proud of me.

Speaker 2:

I think that His intention for that day, truly, was just I'm in pain, i'm in pain, i'm in pain And you know I hate to get graphic about it and you're in pain, you're in pain, you're in pain And this is why men have such a higher statistic at taking their life. It's impulsive, It's Hold the trigger, It's a sneeze. When Robin Williams took his life, there was a writer that I read shortly thereafter who likened it to a sneeze. What do I mean by that? We feel the sneeze coming and we look to the sun and hold our nose and we try to get it not to erupt, but eventually you can sneeze right And you can't hold it back. That's what happens in that moment. Men take a more violent means guns, ropes, that sort of thing, Car crashes. Women use pills and alcohol. The statistic that's shocking, that most people don't know 130 people succeed in suicide in this country every single day. Over 4,000 attempt suicide on a daily basis.

Speaker 1:

And those are only the ones reported.

Speaker 2:

I never reported any of my attempts.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Right, this is the true pandemic. So what would my son say to me? I'm going to say a swear word here. Fuck yeah, mom.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Fuck yeah, keep going, keep going. I love that.

Speaker 1:

I love that Talk about you know for you and your family, for you first, and maybe even your older, because he had an older brother. How old now? How old is your oldest now?

Speaker 2:

He's 27 now.

Speaker 1:

So which is my daughter's age? My oldest is 27. Talk about you. Talk about the fulfillment that you feel now, having walked through everything that you've walked through and having helped families that have been where you're at.

Speaker 2:

That, again, is my joy, and when I write because I'm on my second book too it is all about true purpose and service. Right, the first book. I actually blogged the first year and how crazy some of those thoughts were and just how much sorrow and pain I was in. I took some of those blogs from the first year and reflected back on them in the book as the healed woman, how I got through those moments, what I did through those moments.

Speaker 2:

And there's no easy way to say this other than you are going to fight for your life, and if you don't feel enough strength to fight for your life, you have to fight for the legacy of your child. That's how it started Was proving to my child that what he did didn't overcome me. I was able to overcome it because when I see him again, i wasn't going to be that sad little mother. I was going to be the rock star. So achievement became a focus, for sure. But that's a dangerous road to go down, because what if you don't achieve? What if you fail? And because this is this we do.

Speaker 1:

Well, you know, you know this it really is. I was on the call with somebody earlier today and I'm like you know she was talking about my conference in Dallas and I'm just I just told her. I said listen, life's about risk. You've got to take a step. If you're not, if you don't feel uncomfortable in who can I really pull this off? Can I really do? That's what it takes to do this. This thing, god's put in my heart, do I have. if you don't risk the, there's never the reward. on the other side of not risking, a living, an average life, is something that doesn't not only not bring you fulfillment, but it brings you the opposite It brings you despair. You're like this, is it Like this?

Speaker 2:

is.

Speaker 1:

This is all. Yeah, exactly Right. Talk to me a little bit about your children. Now You've got a 27 year old. The twins are how old now?

Speaker 2:

So the twins just turned 16.

Speaker 1:

Oh, wow.

Speaker 2:

And so my oldest boy. He actually has joined me in the real estate business. He never did drugs, he never started drinking. One of the things that we made sure that we did is keep him around his core group of friends. It wasn't easy, let's just face it. He was mad at us. You know we lash out at each other. I, you know, we promise all on every, all my kids and this and that. You know we're not going to get into that. We're in so much turmoil still and we're in so much pain still. So he did move out when he was 18. But it wasn't. It was just because he also needed to step out. You know the our children are on their own journey. We tend to forget that as parents.

Speaker 2:

We pushed the visions and I want you to achieve this because I wasn't able to. But it's their own journey, right. So you know I had to allow him to live his life. I had to find a way to live my life. I had to be a little bit more serious. I had to take it back and ended up doing real estate with me.

Speaker 2:

He is certified in skydiving. He actually writes lyrics as part of his pain. He's doing wonderfully as his first girlfriend, the, the twins the youngest twin has actually has autism And you know he was really affected. Both of them were really affected. Of course, they were only just about four at the time, but you know they remember. Your body remembers that.

Speaker 2:

I mean, i remember when I was in school. I remember the kids were on their own. I remember the kids were like I want to be a part of this And I remember having suicidal thoughts at around age 11, which was terrifying for us, and you know we always make sure that the schools knew. But You know we stayed together as a family unit. That that's what really stuck with them through the, the screaming and mom driving Cause sometimes I'd have to just leave. I just would leave. You know that's home Kids are good. I need to go and I would drive for like two days. You know, i just needed that, and so I was like I'm just going to go, i don't have to go to school, i'm going to go to school. So I just needed to go to school. I actually did. I was just kind of showing how important others are in your life, no matter what you're going through. Stop, because again those last words to my, to my son, and my son to me you don't want it to be.

Speaker 2:

I hate you. Yeah, make sure you take the time to say something kind, even at the end of an argument I love you. I'll talk to you later. Or you know, you have to remember the little things, the little things in life. Do you want to stay that sad, pathetic little person in the corner because, oh my God, i can't get up and face the world? What? Yes, you can.

Speaker 1:

What was the first moment for you, kimberly, in the process afterwards, where you were able to make a difference in someone else's life that had went through something similar, where you said, yes, there really is purpose behind this pain?

Speaker 2:

It began because I started blogging about what I was going through And I noticed and again, this is 12 years ago, so we only really had Facebook. But, at the time, but I did notice that there would be responses. people like you know what I needed to hear that today or I didn't realize that about suicide or the stigma. And again there's that little bubble, calm, little bubbles of joy, and I would start like collecting those for the days that I couldn't find bubbles of joy And that you know.

Speaker 1:

okay, kimberly what is this?

Speaker 2:

doing to you? How is this helping you? year after year after year, When I would talk about, okay, Thanksgiving is coming up. This is my first Thanksgiving. This is my second one. This is how I made it through. There's such a great satisfaction when someone comes to you and says I almost took my life last night and I came across your video.

Speaker 2:

And I realized that I could give it five more minutes and one more hour and one more day, and that part's gonna make me emotional, because literally thousands of people over the last decade have stayed their hand because of either my story or something they've heard or something they've read. It's a pride. that's a humble pride, but it's one that I know speaks to Jesus, speaks to God, speaks to Mother Mary, whatever you believe in.

Speaker 1:

No, i love that, i love that. And now talk to us about what you're doing now. I mean, it's been 12 years ago. it's funny. You said there's only Facebook. I was like there was my space and I was like before that, but anyway, facebook, i know right. So tell me now, like how are you doing now? Talk to me about what God's doing in your life right now. Obviously the real estate stuff you're just crushing it in, so working on your second book. tell us a little bit about your second book and just becoming a speaker and doing all that and really sharing your story. Talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2:

So I was fortunate enough to, while in the real estate world, be noticed for my story, being able to share my story in panels in smaller areas, and that part I like too. Let's not, i do like attention. Come on, i'm a woman.

Speaker 1:

I was gonna. You took the words right out of my mouth.

Speaker 2:

There is a satisfaction in telling a tale well done and having it be effective. If I could just set aside everything, what was the one thing I would do if I had all the money in the world? it would be speaking, sharing my story and healing the world. And God, through a series of very tumultuous events over 10 years, has put me in that place. I'm part of Stormy Wellington's Girlhold, my Hand group. I'm very close to Stormy Wellington's group. She's a huge public speaker and visionary And my second book launch, which will hopefully be launching in August, is all about the soul.

Speaker 2:

It's all about how do we heal the soul, How do we live a life through our imagination. Our imagination is our divinity and we shouldn't compromise who we truly are for anyone. Through my 10 years in real estate, i was not going to be that suit wearing Maserati, driving chick. I was going to be the inspirational one, was never going to change who I was to be successful and my uniqueness. That has gotten me there And that is living true to myself. I can only save myself. I can't save the world, i can only save myself. But the ripple effect of saving myself and sharing, that is what has the presence of saving others.

Speaker 1:

I love that. And so now your second book coming out. I love Stormy, by the way. She's phenomenal And really just getting an opportunity to really live in your purpose and take that pain and turn that. Tell me about the family now. How are you guys doing? What does that look?

Speaker 2:

like. So the twins are 16. My husband and I have stayed very, very close through all of this. We're determined to get the boys raised. It hasn't been perfect. We've done a lot of counseling. I can't say that it's a forever thing, but it's a commitment in making sure that the whole family is good and thrives. And we're thriving too. And I'm a golden ticket winner for 10X Stages Great American Speak Off, as that part of my career started taking off and I do plan on a movie for the second book. We are kind of separating ourselves. I have a dream, and this is what a lot of women don't realize I'm 51. And there's no reason why I can't still pursue my dreams. It's not time to retire.

Speaker 1:

So at this point.

Speaker 2:

He's a firefighter, he's a captain. The twins are 16, they're almost able to drive. I am going to be stepping out and fully stepping into traveling the country, doing my speaking engagements, everything that I dreamt of, because my dream is my purpose And that's kind of what my second book is about too. Your imagination is divinity. It's what God is trying to tell you is possible. Yes, we're ordinary people, but we can achieve extraordinary things. I'm just a girl with a GED And some of the things I've been able to achieve are incredible, incredible, and I have only begun. So I want to encourage people don't feel like you're stuck or you're, you know, because of your obligations and this, and that your obligation is to yourself. The better you do, the better everyone else around you do, that's right.

Speaker 2:

Period Yeah.

Speaker 1:

I call that the oxygen mass syndrome.

Speaker 2:

Yes, on the fly.

Speaker 1:

Yes, listen in case of loss of cabin pressure, oxygen mass will drop down. If you were the child, put it on, because what people don't understand is when that cabin pressure goes away, it doesn't just stop you from able to breathe, it sucks the air right out of your lungs. And if you don't take care of you, everybody else that's dependent on you is doomed. Yes, and you have to take care of you, kimberly. What's the best place for people to connect with you?

Speaker 2:

Kim t360.com. That will send you to all of my platforms. I have over 130 of my own podcast and videos and creations on YouTube. I do my own editing production. Instagram is tenacious angels. That is the name of my second book, tenacious angels. A t-shirt is available. You watch it. We'll say it right here, right now It will be a movie Come on girl.

Speaker 1:

I've got some people that I need to connect you with that do a lot of movies.

Speaker 2:

And then, of course, instagram, but the best place is Kim t360.com.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I love that, man. Thank you for thank you for sharing. I could tell, boy, it was so different.

Speaker 1:

The very beginning you told me off air what happened and I was like I had to kind of gather just minute. Okay, God, where do we need to take this? Where? how do we navigate this conversation for people to be able to get I mean, for people to get the maximum amount of impact out of your story? And then I'm praying for you as a mom, as a wife, for just wisdom on what the future looks like. And, man, i just wanted to honor you for what you've done and what you've went through and how you've overcome And and you know, when we overcome it's it's never really just about us overcoming.

Speaker 1:

It is, but it really is about once we've, once we break in, we've broke through that initial and we realize, okay, not only can I make it, but, man, i can help other people. That fulfillment on the other side and just listening to you talk about that fulfillment is absolutely amazing. So thank you so much. So, guys, listen, go check out Kimberly Tenacious Angels on Instagram. Tenacious Angels. That's it right there, right. Tenacious Angels on Instagram. Kimt360.com. Go check her out. Books coming out in August. If it's not, i'm gonna get in your ass. I'm gonna send you a D.

Speaker 1:

I'll be like hey look at it, come on. Hey, there's a reason we write our goals down twice a day.

Speaker 2:

Goals, gratitude after six to time three every morning.

Speaker 1:

I tell people all the time listen, I'm not the best looking, Most intelligent, sharpest dude in the world, but nobody will be more consistent than me and nobody will outwork me. And nobody gets up at 4 am as many times during the week as I do.

Speaker 2:

I promise you, i do, i do. You're not gonna outwork me, that's true, but anyway I'm super excited about our conversation.

Speaker 1:

Can't wait to get this, can't wait to get this on the year. But, guys, kimberly Toko, guys, kimt360.com, go check her out Again. Thank you for joining us for another episode of As a Leader Grows. What an amazing. I mean, this is a life changing conversation. No matter what you go through. Number one, there is always something on the other side, not only for you, but for the people that this, this instant or tragedy has has positioned you to be able to help. So, if you love this podcast, do me a favor. Two things Number one subscribe. Number two snap a screenshot, share it on Instagram. Tag Kimberly and myself in it. We'll share it to our audience as well. And listen. We are three weeks away, probably a couple of weeks Once this public is create. Dallas myself, brenda Bouchard, randy Garn, Gary Brecca, irwin McManus, amberley Lago, marie Cosgrove, kim trying to think. I just said I almost said Kimberly Catherine Gorgie.

Speaker 2:

Kimberly's like yes, get out there.

Speaker 1:

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